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 Inkognito,Golem

Thanks for the galleries,very interesting places indeed!
I watched the video of Polonina Runa,really spectacular view from that mountain,but the condition of the road which leading to the top is not the best... ;)
I think it's better if you have a 4WD car.  :)

My german friend who is a specialist in the BARS system made /by Cinema 4D/ this very nice illustration about 103:




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This last picture is also done in Google SketchUp ?
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I have small and cheap 1.2L ukrainian car "Tavria". They drove me to Runa without any serious problems. Car doesn`t mater. The driver experience is more important ;)

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No,I'm not ICQ member,but if you send an email to my address,I can reply to you as a private message.  Is it possible?

Yes, of course. I will send you a letter tomorrow morning
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Hadsz, do you have any more information about Bars objects? I.e. operation principle, functional description, main parameters, history of creation? If yes, can you share its? Because I`m very interested in any kind of information about old Soviet Union military objects.  Thanks in advance!
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Hello Golem,

First of all let's take a look at the meaning of abbreviation BARS: броне автономная радио система

and here are some basic informations about the system / this report is written by my german friend/ :


The tropospheric-scatter signal system BARS (english: Snow Leopard) was a strategic military signal and communications network of the Warsaw Pact. The starting point was the session of the Committee of Defense Ministers of the Warsaw Pact countries in December 1977, when the making of a hardened digital signal-network has been decided on the basis of tropo-scatter-system. The construction period was the first half of the 80-ies. The BARS-system should complement and/or replace the existing signal systems to wireless and cable-based, which allows the communication between the general staffs of Warsaw-Pact-member-countries and the Supreme Command of the Warsaw Pact in USSR. In particular, the recent radio links were considered to be relatively susceptible to interference, among other things, increased solar activity, local atmospheric or electrical interference; while the cable operations could be affected mainly by mechanical damage. In case of war, military conflict and direct weapons effects this hardened system should play a high importance. In contrast to recent communications the tropospheric radio systems were compared sure to ionizing radiation. Furthermore, their susceptibility to electronic countermeasures and intercepted by the enemy was classified as low. The systems starts its job in December 1987 – the fully service began in the end of 1988. With the fall of the iron curtain and the break of the Warsaw Pact the Bars-systems ends its job. Later were separate (exercise) relations between single stations (104 and 603), which were made by Ukrainian-Bulgarian contract (1991).

The technique used in the system BARS guaranteed connections over a distance of at least 2000 kilometers. Overall, the contract provided for the construction of 26 so-called tropo-sites with a placement in the WP-countries as follows:
USSR      101 (Belorussia), 102 (Ukraina), 103 (Ukraina), 104 (Ukraina), 109  (Ukraina)
Poland      201, 202 (soviet used), 203 (soviet used), 204, 205, 206, 207
GDR      301, 302, 303
Czechoslovakia   401, 402, 403
Hungary      501, 502, 503, 504 (soviet used)
Bulgaria      601, 602, 603, 605

The design concept, implementation and the funding devolved upon the respective deployment of the country. The construction-costs for 2 tropo-sites (504 and 201) were paid from the budgets of the allied forces, because these sites were determined for the command posts of the (strategic) west and south-west direction of soviet forces. The technology used in the BARS system could guarantee communications with over 2,000 km and more. According to the contract were provided for 26 tropo-sites, which should be installed in up to 4 “Baget-S”-systems. The developers of radio- systems for BARS, the Moscow Research Institute of Radio Technology ( "Scientific Research Institute 229") MNIRTI, speak of a total of 5,000 kilometers with a total of 29 intervals (normaly 200 km between 2 stations). A panel-map (placed in several Internet forums) gives an impressive view of the dimension of this military communication system.
Construction of the stations was carried out at different times. The starting point for the hardened tropo-bunkers was a Soviet “re-using project”, which was modifyd by each country. On the basis of design documentation and on-site inspections revealed that only in the compartments for the system "AZUR 60”, located next to the shielded rooms for the klystrons and the adjoining rooms for them to antenna-cable-systems and air conditioning a nearly identical floor plan was made. For all other areas and building components of the respective national policies and standards has been upheld.

The building design
The tropscatter-system BARS consisted protected, semi-protected and unprotected stations. According to their location on the western border of the Warsaw Pact area  the protection level has been set for the final stage. So all 3 tropo-sites in GDR were designed and built as a hardened bunker with 2 floors and a concrete burst-layer above. In Czechoslovakia, two of the three stations had been built as a hardened bunker, while the third later - and never - should receive an appropriate degree of protection. In Poland, according to the state explore one station (201) was built as a hardened bunker, 202 (finished) and 203 (under construction) should also be bunkers – but used by soviet froces. 204 – 207 were / are above-ground building (unknown if in service). Hungary has so far been a tropo-site bunkered - the 504th. This corresponds to the representation of the BARS-map. As a three-storey building above ground were identified the 501 – 502 & 503 had have only 2 floors. Also on BARS-sites in Bulgaria no information can be delivered.
The basic concepts have been recognized for the object design:
1. Special structure as bunkered underground grave protection structure with a separate barracks area in the accommodation. (Examples: 301 - 303 in the GDR and 401 and 402 in the CSSR)
2. Special structure as bunkered underground grave monument protection without accommodation. (Examples: 101, 102, 103, 109, 202, 504)
3. Special structure as bunkered underground grave protection structure (U-Zone is not considered) with a protected garage for the entire mobile reserve Komplekt (examples: soviet and german layout)
4. Special structure as bunkered underground grave protection structure, with protected garage exclusively for the mobile reserve antennas. (czech layout)
5. Special structure as above-ground structure (U-Zone is ignored) without a protected garage for the mobile reserve antenna system (403 and hungarian and polish layout).

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hadsz

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So here is the map.
Note that some locations and the proportion of distances /especially in Ukraine / are not the most accurate...

If you have any questions,don't hesitate.  :)

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Thank you very much. It is exactly what I wanted to know. Now I understood antennas orientation and building plan. One more question. One station is close to Miggirya, second - Runa. Where are third station on Ukraine territory?
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There are four stations in Ukraine:

103 and 109 are OK,
102 is near Lviv,NE of the city.I think you should visit there.  ;)

and finally the 104,that is what we are looking for.It probably should be about 150 degrees of 109,somewhere near the romanian border.Take a look at GE shot with supposed area:

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   Third object (102?) seems to be here @ Yavoriv range. But, there are 4 BARS-stations in our country
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  How about object near station 109, marked on the map as a star? According to the legend - there are main node, contol unit of whole BARS system! And the small triangles shows the position of backup contol units.
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Yep, I forgot about Yavoriv station. :(
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Або карта барс неправильна, або не ті обєкти знайшли. Скоріш за все карта спеціально спотрворена. За неє 104 має розміщуватися в одеській області.
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скоріш за все, шо спотворена - вона скоріш за все схематична :(
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and finally the 104,that is what we are looking for.It probably should be about 150 degrees of 109,somewhere near the romanian border.Take a look at GE shot with supposed area:


The marked square consist on one station on Yarovytsia or Tomnatykul mountain. The object has free acsess, but you need get a permit from border guard first. because its very close from Romain border.


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there is interesting collection of locations of such stations on hungarian site about troposcatter communication:
http://rammstein.dfmk.hu/~s200/tropo/Tropo.kmz (for google Earth). Online version some times does not work, at least for me: http://rammstein.dfmk.hu/~s200/tropo.html#bars
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Yes,I know that guy.
I told the location of 109 to him.   :)
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Typical soviet communications,command,control and intelligence system :



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Good, it means that we always can find something interesting in 25km diameter arooud the object. And we should do it.
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